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Rob F.'s avatar

This seems like a collective action problem. With the vast majority of adolescents in high school, you look like a weirdo if you opt-out, and the ecosystem of alternatives & opportunities doesn't exist. I'm convinced of the wisdom in this post, but I'm not clear on what the path is to get to a world where at least some communities can really experience such a thing.

Seems like the smallest incremental thing is normalize hiring high school age kids who want to opt out of high school.

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This line really struck a nerve:

"I’ve never wasted so much time nor learned as ineffectively as when I have been in school."

I have long realized that I remember almost nothing from my government schooling; Indians who ate acorns had to soak them and pound them and something something something. I suspect basic arithmetic and reading and printing (which were when I was too young to remember now) were 90% of what I gained from school. 9% was reading practice from those god-awful textbooks. 1% was that people can eat acorns, but the exact method was not taught. A -10% was probably English literature teachers insistent on analyzing poetry and books their way, and were contemptuous of me just liking some authors more than others without analyzing the life out of them; I want to enjoy Robert Frost's Fork In the Road (or whatever it is called), but memories of that jackass sneering teacher come flooding back. I have read far more and learned far more history on my own than from all my history teachers.

I spent most of my one college year using the computer facilities to teach myself all sorts of fun programming tricks, and that is how I got my first job. The university kicked me out for not going to any classes in subjects I have never used since. I kept using their computers on my own.

I came to the conclusion ages ago that in a free schooling market, without any government control or funding, children would focus on basic readin' writin' and 'rithmetic, and the rest of their education would be whatever interested them from talking and socializing with older kids, relatives, neighbors, and family friends. Get exposed to all the real world jobs out there; bring your kids to work not just one day a year, and not just your kids, but neighbor kids, cousins and other relatives, to follow you around and learn how adults work, not the skills themselves. Let them figure out what skills they have that match what work looks interesting. And leave history and literature and all those other topics for adulthood. The only use of history and most subjects was the reading practice, not the content itself.

The worst thing to do to kids is stick them in schools all day with only their peers and a few adults who they see day after day. It isolates them from the big wide world of adults working together, of adult problem solving. Then keep pushing more and more college, impress them with how stupid and ignorant they are, how they cannot do anything by themselves until they have been in school for 16 years. A friend and co-worker was pissed as hell at finding a bachelor's in biology qualified him for nothing related to biology.

Of COURSE they end up not knowing why they are dissatisfied or who they are angry with! I cannot think of a better way of raising snowflakes who think cosplay in a 2 ton SUV with armed police is just a harmless little game.

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